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Author:  Dave Livermore [ Mon May 04, 2015 9:16 pm ]
Post subject:  This is why Robbie O'Brien's help is the best
I watched his tips du jour on sawdust and shellac pore fill last night.
Did this today.
From bare wood to dyed, to pore filled and a shiny first fp session in 45 minutes.

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Here is the video
http://youtu.be/EcRc1cJrgtU

I can't believe I have never heard anyone mention this method before. So simple, effective and quick.
I love it.

The wood is Black Walnut
It was treated with transtint. brown mahog mixed 3:1 with black. Thinned with DA and wiped on bare wood. Then two sessions of shellac pore fill, followed by a light sanding, wiped with lemon oil, sealed with shellac and fp.

Most of it learned from Robbie's videos and dvd's

Thanks Robbie!

Dave
Author:  Bryan Bear [ Mon May 04, 2015 10:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: This is why Robbie O'Brien's help is the best
Thanks for posting this. I've never come across this technique.
Author:  kencierp [ Tue May 05, 2015 5:55 am ]
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For a more even stain or dye application I would recommend pre-conditioning the bare wood rather than direct application of color -- this will help to prevent blotching.
Author:  Dave Livermore [ Tue May 05, 2015 7:09 am ]
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Ken,
Are you saying my complexion is blotchy? ;)
What do you suggest for a conditioner?

dl
Author:  kencierp [ Tue May 05, 2015 7:31 am ]
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Hi Dave,
It's always difficult to evaluate photos, but it does appear you have some unevenness. I use Minwax stains, they have their own a pre-conditioner available. I would suggest that you check with the maker of the dye you are using for a recommendation. Stain blotching is a very common problem covered in depth on many finishing websites. It's important that the conditioner is compatible with the dye or stain.
Author:  Michael.N. [ Tue May 05, 2015 10:10 am ]
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Yes, you have to be very careful when putting stains straight on to wood. Any hint of end grain and it's going to wick in and send it blotchy. If I use a stain (rare) it's often very subtle and I get most of the colour from dyes in the varnish.
Author:  Robbie O'Brien [ Wed May 20, 2015 9:50 am ]
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Glad to hear you liked the technique Dave. I learned this tip from an old school Brazilian cabinet maker and have been using it for years.
Author:  Clay S. [ Sat May 23, 2015 9:23 am ]
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I think in some cases the blotchiness can enhance the look of the wood. Conditioners do make the dye take more evenly but can make things look very "flat". Some people use a wash coat of shellac as a conditioner before staining the wood.
Author:  kencierp [ Sat May 23, 2015 10:42 am ]
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Quote:
I think in some cases the blotchiness can enhance the look of the wood. Conditioners do make the dye take more evenly but can make things look very "flat".


Interesting take on the matter, since there are so many products and processes available and published to avoid the look -- but I am always open to new thinking, do you have some of photo examples were you consider blotchiness an enhancement and the even staining job is a detriment?

I'll edit to add that my concern would be if you don't take measures to prevent an uneven staining job and go ahead and apply stain or dye and it looks bad then what?

Thanks
Author:  rlrhett [ Tue May 26, 2015 7:13 pm ]
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I don't think anyone wants "blotchy", but here I a a guy who apparently does a lot of staining guitars. Always raw wood and always rubbed on. He has responded several times to his YouTube comments that he doesn't condition the wood because it interferes with the look he is going for:

https://youtu.be/CiWPsYTU5Yk


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